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IGN Article

In the IGN article, they refer to the Onos abilities as Powers should we call them as such or refer to them as Abilities ? Daworm 11:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The follow up by UWE uses abilities [1]. Ljcrabs 09:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I've seen capacity and ability in this Wiki. Is it a difference ? Akira86 14:58, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

Categories

  • Also, the Game Info category is more "general" stuff which will lead you further down into other pages. Most of the "top-level" categories will be there, anything unique to marine will go in sub-pages. IE: Game-Play Tips if someone does that then that category would be added to "Game Info" or deeper again if someone makes a mapping tutorial, that would go into "map tutorial" which in turn would go into "modding" which in turn would go into "game info". Do I make sense? Category layouts can change at anytime though. Browse ideally will have only a few in there.
What confused me is, first, whether or not each page should be tagged as being in all the categories it belongs to (eg Gore being tagged with all: Browse, Game Info, Teams, Alien, Onos, Ability), which http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Category_considerations cleared up for me (it shouldn't). Secondly, in any wiki Browse would only ever really have two categories, information about the thing and information about the wiki. I think it might be better to just leave the information about the wiki category as a child of information about the thing, here's a quick draft of what I was thinking for the content structure: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9982/36088630.jpg (red underlined are the currently relevant pages that would be linked to from the main page, green underlined are the categories under Browse, Game Info becomes Browse, information about the wiki is "Contributing to this wiki" in the pic). Thoughts? Ljcrabs 09:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that kind of makes sense. If I try to turn your image into a dot-point list with each indentation being a further "sub-category" do you mean for it to look something like the following.
  • Browse
    • Diff NS1 (article in Browse category)
    • Gameplay
      • Teams
        • Aliens (article in teams category)
        • Marines (article in teams category)
    • Tech
      • Engine (article in teams category)
      • Steamworks (article in teams category)
    • Media
      • Concept Art (article in media and dev category)
    • Dev
      • Design (article and category)
      • Pillars
      • Concept Art (article in media and dev category)
        • Modding (article in dev category and a category for specific "modding" categories)
          • Maps (article in teams category and possibly a category as well for any "created" scenarios)
          • Modes (article in teams category and possibly a category as well for any "created" scenarios)
          • Scenarios (article in teams category and possibly a category as well for any "created" scenarios)
    • Community
      • IRC (article in above category')


Is my example above following the right train of thought at all?

Daworm 12:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


Yeah, that's it. But with another first level category for stuff about the wiki. Like:
  • Browse
    • NS1
      • Whats new from NS1
    • Gameplay
      • Teams
        • Aliens
        • Marines
      • Guides
    • Technology
      • Engine
      • Steamworks
    • Media
      • Concept Art
      • Screenshots
    • Development
      • Tools
      • Development Team
      • Design
        • Concept Art
        • Design Direction
      • Releases
    • Modding
      • Maps
      • Modes
      • Scenarios
    • Community
      • IRC
      • This Wiki
        • How to Contribute to this Wiki
          • Help Translate


You've got it with stuff in brackets - whether a page also has a category, whether a category needs an article etc. should be pretty intuitive, just wanted to get a structure sorted. Ljcrabs 02:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
All good! I'm happy with the look of that. Some pages will also be categories but just wanted to be sure I was going along the right lines, if you want to edit the categories to suit go for it! :) Daworm 03:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
We should add a category "Patches" - Refering to the article "Patches" at "Technology" --Korvo 13:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Languages

Just realised, :jp should be :ja... shall we go about fixing it up? Daworm

Quick Navigation

I've added the templates {{MarinesNav}} and {{AliensNav}} to each page under those categories, to change which navigation template to use, e.g. if the tabbed one breaks, change Template:MarinesNav or Template:AliensNav. Ljcrabs 04:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

All good! If it does break or people complain we'll swap to the static. But then people can just upgrade to either Firefox or IE8 and leave IE6 behind in the dust!! Daworm 04:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Comparisons to NS1

As many elements in NS2 are going to be different from NS1, we should try to keep a consistency of how it is displayed. I suggest either:

  • using ===History=== sections containing:
  • comparisons to NS1, and
  • changelog information from previous major versions of NS2, or
  • having all differences in a single place, which could be:

I guess the big deciding factor between the first and second major options is whether the average viewer of a page would find the comparisons and changelog information useful and relevant. Thoughts? Ljcrabs 11:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest having everything on a seperate page for "comparison" and when we have more details, link to it from there. There is the What's new from NS1 page which has some good details on differences already, and once NS2 is launched it will change quickly from player-feedback and live playing of hundreds (thousands?) of players over-time. Look at NS1, how much has changed from v1.0? Daworm 12:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Going ahead with ==See Also== *Comparison to NS1#xxxx, e.g. ==See Also== *Comparison to NS1#Onos Ljcrabs 13:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Risky bussiness... since 1/3 is new and 1/3 is improved, we will be describing 2/3 of the game (both games in fact) in a single page. I suggest the first option. It is cleaner and more organized. Generic Changelog format would be best. Ability example:
==History==
-1.3 etc..
-1.2 lower damage
-1.1 higher adrenaline cost
-beta no change
-alpha new effects
-NS1: changed from X to Y
Rzr 18:44, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
If the size of the page is the issue, that is simple to resolve - we can spread out the content into subpages.
My speculation is that having the change information about each gameplay element on the element's page would not be something the most readers would find valuable. I will go further and say that most people only care about the latest version's changes, and as time goes by after release, less and less about the comparison to NS1. And people who want to go through and read all the changelogs and comparisons to NS1 would prefer to do so in a standard game-wide format, grouped by version, rather than grouped by element.
Rethinking my last post, I don't think there's a need for a link in ==See Also== either: it seems redundant having the [[Comparisons to NS1#element]] link on every page, given the What's new from NS1 link on the front page, and when the game is released, the latest updates will be linked to from the front page too. Ljcrabs 21:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Category naming standard, plural or singular

For example, should it be Category:Maps or Category:Map, I believe using plurals where appropriate would make more sense, rather than using singular names everywhere. Ljcrabs 14:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I think singular makes more sense. Category sounds more like an adjective than a group. Rzr 18:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Singular makes more sense when reading the bottom of a page, e.g. Cinematic Editor Category: Tool, reads: This Cinematic Editor is a Tool. However, only plural makes sense when browsing through the categories, e.g. this subcategory is a collection of Tools. As the majority of usage would be in reading the strip at the bottom rather than browsing categories, I agree singular is better. Ljcrabs 21:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


As a side note, I am having difficulty tagging some wiki pages/images because '[[Category:Marine]]' refers both to the Marine team and as a single Marine in the team. For example, a M.A.S.C. is part of the Marine team, but this image: Image:Marine_riding_Onos_Fan_Art_by_Vectroid.jpg contains a Marine. Ljcrabs 18:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Images on front page

I have done a new but yet to be done better image for the IRC menu item.

Irc-icon.png

What do you think? Comments, ideas on what to do so it looks better?

--PaiSand 13:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

That would be better than the mIRC icon for the IRC Channel I think. Daworm 01:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree, it´s a much more generic icon. I like it the way it is. Rzr 10:10, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll make it a better good looking and set it. PaiSand 17:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Main page categories not shown in the main menu

Due to a lack of a quick link to the mapping sections, those being only reachable trough a search. I added a link on the main page to Mapping with a new icon taken from Spark:

Mapping-icon.png

Perhaps the main menu also needs a change to show these links as well. Currently the main page has more links then the main menu to the side (I dunno how to change those :D)

--Kouji San 17:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice. The left menu can only be changed by a full admin.
The front page should probably also link to Patches. Don't have a good icon in mind, however. Or update the Releases :page majorly. Quovatis 20:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe a windows map file icon or something, they've got a few of them --Kouji San 20:18, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Like with other sections, there is no need to make a separated page for Patches, it can be included in the Releases page with the full list of changes for each patch, and could be done using DHTML/Javascript (to hide/show the info). If you want you can make it as a template. Or inside the Releases page set a link to the Patches.
PaiSand 22:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Spam

Looks like we need to make it harder to register. It needs to require email-verification or require so sort of human input (phrase verify). This is getting ridiculous. At the very least we need more Sysops to be able to delete pages. I'd love to help with this. The spam got so bad at the Planetside wiki that I admin that we had to install http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount It brings spam to a halt, but you also need a good team of Sysops/Bureaucrats to approve legit requests. Quovatis 23:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Daworm or I will take care of any of this. If you check again we were busy deleting the pages and blocking this accounts.
The problem with adding extensions is the wiki version we use right now, which needs to be updated as soon as UWE have time for it.
Just poke us and we will be here.
But if Daworm can modify the registration procedures I will be happy to take time on reviewing registrations.
PaiSand 01:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. I'm trying to get UWE to let me update the wiki software (again). Daworm 04:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Let me help guys. We're 4 days behind in cleaning it up. I'm on here multiple times per day. Quovatis 17:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Cleaned as of today. The thing is, UWE must approve another admin, and this could take some time.
PaiSand 20:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I have no issue adding you as another admin Quovatis - I'll put you up now. This is a community run wiki hosted by UWE we just have next to no say in getting things done to the backend atm. I'm working on that (again) and HOPEFULLY might get something happening soon. Daworm 01:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Yey for soon! This way we can add those add-ons (widgets) we are so needed.
Need the add-ons badly. The ads are getting worse. Would be nice if UWE would trust us (or one of us) with limited SSH access to the wiki to get some things done. I know they have more important things to attend to atm than installing wiki stuff. Quovatis 17:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
At this point, no reply >.< Don't even need SSH! Just SFTP is sufficient with wiki management! I'm trying though! Daworm 15:34, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
PM Cory on the forums. I usually get a response from him. He's not the right guy, but he will contact the one who is. Quovatis 15:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I'm actually doing this now. Just I can't send another PM yet >.< Stupid forum limits.
Update - No can do at this stage. They're too busy dev'ing the game to give the wiki upgrades. I guess we'll just have to wait for the spammers to start contributing 100's of spam pages daily before things will happen, additionally things are too complex in UWE's setup to provide access to the install dir via FTP or Similar :( Daworm 05:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Main page design?

I'm just thinking the main page could do with a redesign... push some more info to it, perhaps include random screenshot cycling etc... thoughts? Or leave it as it is ? Daworm 05:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be nice. Screenshot cycling would be cool. I've been thinking about making a "Getting Started" page or something similar and post a link to that on the main page. Never got around to making it yet, but it seems a lot of new players need something like that. I've seen a lot on the forums come in and say they have no idea what to do when they get in game and don't know where a manual is. Just simple stuff like win conditions, and brief side overviews. Quovatis 19:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah - Starting guide is definitely the way to go. I'll see what I can do for the random screenshots. Not sure how it works with 1.13 code... Daworm 23:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)